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	<title>Comments on: Pastoral Qualifications:  Why Elders/Pastors Must Be Men</title>
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		<title>By: Doctrine: What is the Church? (Part 2c) &#171; The Veritas Network</title>
		<link>http://theveritasnetwork.org/2009/10/02/why-elderspastors-must-be-men/#comment-52</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (see my explanation for the role of deacons as men and women in the comment section of, &#8220;Pastoral Qualifications: Why Elders/Pastors Must Be Men&#8220;).  We must have a high view of leadership in our churches. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (see my explanation for the role of deacons as men and women in the comment section of, &#8220;Pastoral Qualifications: Why Elders/Pastors Must Be Men&#8220;).  We must have a high view of leadership in our churches. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Gibson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as Genesis 1 goes, I believe it shows that man was created first and that woman was created 2nd as man&#039;s helper.  There is a specific order here purposefully designed by God as imaged in the Trinity.  Paul states in 1 Corinthians 11:3, &quot;But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.&quot;  Paul appeals to creation here that man was created first.  

Simply from this verse there is an understanding of an authority/submission relationship in the Trinity.  The Father works his plans and the Son and Holy Spirit submit to it accordingly.  Submission is not a bad word.  In our culture the word submission has been torn apart by feminists giving complete negative connotation.  Man and woman alike submit to God as head.  As Paul states in Ephesians 5, the husband is supposed lead his wife by serving her.  This is what true leadership is.  It&#039;s a constant attitude or serving your wife like Christ served the church and gave himself up for her.  Is this vain or anti-woman?  Absolutely not!  Husbands are supposed to hold their wives up in high esteem and love them to the glory of Christ imaging his love for his church in dying for her!  What a beautiful thing when understood properly!  

If the family is the first institute in which the Bible demands male headship, it will also rightly demand it of the 2nd institution - the church -  as the church is made up of families.  Concerning 1 Timothy 3, verses 1-7 are prescriptive qualifications for those seeking to be pastors/elders (these words can be used interchangeably).  One qualification that is essential to note that Paul also states in chapter 2 is that of being able to teach.  Verses 8-13 are prescriptive qualifications for deacons.  The word deacon in Greek is only masculine and does not have a feminine counter part.  Therefore, that is why so much confusion has been given over verse 11.  Diakonos is the word Paul is using here.  In verses 8-10 he gives qualifications for male deacons.  In verse 11 he uses the word Gunaikos (which means woman or wife) and this is where the ambiguity comes in.  I believe to be &lt;em&gt;completely strict to the text&lt;/em&gt; we must read this as being either woman or wife (forfeiting any interpretive decision), therefore coming to the conclusion that Paul is speaking of both women and wives who aspire to be Deacons.  In verses 12-13 he goes back to discussing qualifications for men deacons.  

When understanding the office of the deacon as a &#039;servant position&#039; it must be available to both men and women.

A major qualification for an elder compared to a deacon is &#039;teaching.&#039;  Paul says elders must be able to teach, again appealing to 1 Timothy 2, but does not give any qualifications of this matter for deacons.  My understanding from this text is that elders/pastors must be men because of the qualification of teaching and deacons can be either men or women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Genesis 1 goes, I believe it shows that man was created first and that woman was created 2nd as man&#8217;s helper.  There is a specific order here purposefully designed by God as imaged in the Trinity.  Paul states in 1 Corinthians 11:3, &#8220;But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.&#8221;  Paul appeals to creation here that man was created first.  </p>
<p>Simply from this verse there is an understanding of an authority/submission relationship in the Trinity.  The Father works his plans and the Son and Holy Spirit submit to it accordingly.  Submission is not a bad word.  In our culture the word submission has been torn apart by feminists giving complete negative connotation.  Man and woman alike submit to God as head.  As Paul states in Ephesians 5, the husband is supposed lead his wife by serving her.  This is what true leadership is.  It&#8217;s a constant attitude or serving your wife like Christ served the church and gave himself up for her.  Is this vain or anti-woman?  Absolutely not!  Husbands are supposed to hold their wives up in high esteem and love them to the glory of Christ imaging his love for his church in dying for her!  What a beautiful thing when understood properly!  </p>
<p>If the family is the first institute in which the Bible demands male headship, it will also rightly demand it of the 2nd institution &#8211; the church &#8211;  as the church is made up of families.  Concerning 1 Timothy 3, verses 1-7 are prescriptive qualifications for those seeking to be pastors/elders (these words can be used interchangeably).  One qualification that is essential to note that Paul also states in chapter 2 is that of being able to teach.  Verses 8-13 are prescriptive qualifications for deacons.  The word deacon in Greek is only masculine and does not have a feminine counter part.  Therefore, that is why so much confusion has been given over verse 11.  Diakonos is the word Paul is using here.  In verses 8-10 he gives qualifications for male deacons.  In verse 11 he uses the word Gunaikos (which means woman or wife) and this is where the ambiguity comes in.  I believe to be <em>completely strict to the text</em> we must read this as being either woman or wife (forfeiting any interpretive decision), therefore coming to the conclusion that Paul is speaking of both women and wives who aspire to be Deacons.  In verses 12-13 he goes back to discussing qualifications for men deacons.  </p>
<p>When understanding the office of the deacon as a &#8216;servant position&#8217; it must be available to both men and women.</p>
<p>A major qualification for an elder compared to a deacon is &#8216;teaching.&#8217;  Paul says elders must be able to teach, again appealing to 1 Timothy 2, but does not give any qualifications of this matter for deacons.  My understanding from this text is that elders/pastors must be men because of the qualification of teaching and deacons can be either men or women.</p>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
		<link>http://theveritasnetwork.org/2009/10/02/why-elderspastors-must-be-men/#comment-35</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you do with Genesis 1, when God created man and woman together?  And what about 1 Tim 3:11...it gives the qualifications for a woman.  The Hebrew says woman and not wife.  What do you do with this verse?  Also, throughout Paul&#039;s epistles, he gives a lot of credit to women.  In Romans 16:1-2, he praises Phoebe, a deacon/minister; or Priscilla...her name is mentioned before her husband&#039;s name; and in 16:7 Junia is prominent among the apostles.  There seem to be examples of female leadership throughout the New Testament.  

Those are just a few comments and thoughts to this post.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you do with Genesis 1, when God created man and woman together?  And what about 1 Tim 3:11&#8230;it gives the qualifications for a woman.  The Hebrew says woman and not wife.  What do you do with this verse?  Also, throughout Paul&#8217;s epistles, he gives a lot of credit to women.  In Romans 16:1-2, he praises Phoebe, a deacon/minister; or Priscilla&#8230;her name is mentioned before her husband&#8217;s name; and in 16:7 Junia is prominent among the apostles.  There seem to be examples of female leadership throughout the New Testament.  </p>
<p>Those are just a few comments and thoughts to this post.  Thanks.</p>
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