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	<title>Comments on: Doctrine: What is the Church (Part 2a)</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Gibson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amanda, I agree!  I do think the numbers game can become idolatrous if not careful!  I can even get caught up with how many hits the sight gets and often forget that The Veritas Network exists for the glory of God and not how many hits we get a day.  Although, as far as numbers in churches, I have heard it said that numbers represent people and because people have souls numbers therefore are important (though not to the point of losing integrity and tickling peoples ears).  

Church membership is not prescriptive in Scripture.  There is no verse in all of Scripture that discusses church membership saying that we must have it.  The closest that we can come to is Romans 13 and Hebrews 13:17.  Hebrews 13 says, &quot;Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves” (Hebrews 13:17).  A major and crucial role of an elder is to shepherd his flock.  In healthy churches, there is an ethos created by the elders where the church body understands that the elders/pastors were placed over them by God to lead them and shepherd them.  In realizing this, there has to be some form of submission to the leadership of the church.  I am all for congregational church government, but I am also for churches understanding that their pastors will stand before the Lord one day and give an account of how they led their flock.  Church membership not only places the emphasis on the individual Christian being counted out and set apart as a member, but it also allows the church (i.e., the pastors/elders) to hold them accountable.  Such instances when this would be necessary are giving, attendance, community, serving in the local congregation, AND it also allows church discipline to take place when needed because this member of a local congregation has been set apart under the authority of the elders of a local congregation.   

Membership, I believe, rightly allows pastors and elders to be good stewards of their flock.

Good question!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, I agree!  I do think the numbers game can become idolatrous if not careful!  I can even get caught up with how many hits the sight gets and often forget that The Veritas Network exists for the glory of God and not how many hits we get a day.  Although, as far as numbers in churches, I have heard it said that numbers represent people and because people have souls numbers therefore are important (though not to the point of losing integrity and tickling peoples ears).  </p>
<p>Church membership is not prescriptive in Scripture.  There is no verse in all of Scripture that discusses church membership saying that we must have it.  The closest that we can come to is Romans 13 and Hebrews 13:17.  Hebrews 13 says, &#8220;Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves” (Hebrews 13:17).  A major and crucial role of an elder is to shepherd his flock.  In healthy churches, there is an ethos created by the elders where the church body understands that the elders/pastors were placed over them by God to lead them and shepherd them.  In realizing this, there has to be some form of submission to the leadership of the church.  I am all for congregational church government, but I am also for churches understanding that their pastors will stand before the Lord one day and give an account of how they led their flock.  Church membership not only places the emphasis on the individual Christian being counted out and set apart as a member, but it also allows the church (i.e., the pastors/elders) to hold them accountable.  Such instances when this would be necessary are giving, attendance, community, serving in the local congregation, AND it also allows church discipline to take place when needed because this member of a local congregation has been set apart under the authority of the elders of a local congregation.   </p>
<p>Membership, I believe, rightly allows pastors and elders to be good stewards of their flock.</p>
<p>Good question!</p>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
		<link>http://theveritasnetwork.org/2010/02/11/doctrine-what-is-the-church-part-2a/#comment-47</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post.  You place a huge emphasis on church membership.  Can you give some biblical references for this?  All of the references refer to baptism.  I&#039;m by no means against church membership, but today I think we put way too much emphasis on the numbers and making it official.  Not being on a church roll does not make one any less of a member of that local body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  You place a huge emphasis on church membership.  Can you give some biblical references for this?  All of the references refer to baptism.  I&#8217;m by no means against church membership, but today I think we put way too much emphasis on the numbers and making it official.  Not being on a church roll does not make one any less of a member of that local body.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Ward</title>
		<link>http://theveritasnetwork.org/2010/02/11/doctrine-what-is-the-church-part-2a/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good start on the church, Greg. In a day where individuals rule, our spiritual lives get privatized as well. I agree that we must look outside of ourselves to the Scriptures first and then as guides the confessions (a succinct summary of Scriptures if their good) to understand God. I don&#039;t understand why we as a generation shy away from creeds and confessions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good start on the church, Greg. In a day where individuals rule, our spiritual lives get privatized as well. I agree that we must look outside of ourselves to the Scriptures first and then as guides the confessions (a succinct summary of Scriptures if their good) to understand God. I don&#8217;t understand why we as a generation shy away from creeds and confessions.</p>
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